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**eugenevh** · 03-14-2014, 07:37 AM

Somewhat off this particular topic, but really very interesting none the less.

Have anyone read the Wikipedia entry on Itavia Flight 870.
Seems that real life can sometimes be more Bizarre than any conspiracy theory could ever hope to be.

Itavia Flight 870 - Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerolinee_Itavia_Flight_870

Astonishing!

**fleetlordatvar** · 03-15-2014, 01:00 AM

I remembered to check in to the mystery & now the new announcement is that is was hijacked conclusively;
Investigators conclude missing jet hijacked, steered off course, official says

Published March 15, 2014 FoxNews.com

Investigators trying to solve the disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines jetliner have concluded that one of the pilots or someone else with flying experience hijacked the missing Boeing 777 and steered it off course, according to a Malaysian government official.
The official, who is involved in the investigation, told The Associated Press on Saturday that no motive has been established, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.
The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. "It is conclusive," he said.
He said evidence that led to the conclusion were signs that the plane's communications were switched off deliberately, data about the flight path and indications the plane was steered in a way to avoid detection by radar.
The jet's communication with the ground was severed under one hour into a flight March 8 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Malaysian officials have said radar data suggest it may have turned back and crossed back over the Malaysian peninsula westward, after setting out toward the Chinese capital.

**Sludge** · 03-15-2014, 12:43 PM

And, what about the fuel spill spotted in the ocean?

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**eugenevh** · 03-15-2014, 02:06 PM

It probably will stay a mystery for a very long time.

The two main questions (apart from WHERE NOW) are:
Who and Why.

In the case of "who", there are at least two possibilities. The pilots themselves (one or both), or external hijackers (cabinet crew or pax).
The pilots could be involved deliberately or they could have been forced to fly the way they did. If someone threatens your life or the life of someone else under your responsibility, then you will comply for as long as you can in order to spare life.
The erratic up and down flightpath could also have been the pilots trying to throw the 'hijacker(s)" off balance and wrestle control of the plane back. If that was the case then it might have been unsuccessful which could have led to the death of someone which would make any future moves to 'free themselves' even more difficult on the part of the pilots/passengers. - I don't know how fast these climbs and descents were. If it was done slowly (so as not to be noticeable), then this theory needs to be revised.

Another thing to consider, this all happened at night. The passengers probably didn't even know what was happening. Flight at night over unfamiliar terrain and water would not have raised any alarm from the passengers or even cabin crew if everything seemed like normal ops.

What happened on that flight deck will in all probability never be known. First it is starting to look very unlikely that the plane will ever be found. ELT haven't been activated and pingers only lasts a limited time and they have limited range. If you have no clue about where the plane went into the water, then you are looking at an extremely difficult proposition in finding the wreck.
A crash on land or at sea with high-G impact forces would have set off the ELT A soft water landing could conceivably have prevented the ELT to set off. Yes, it also starts going off when in contact with water, but if you sink it deep enough, it soon disappears.
And even if the plane is found, the CVR would most probably have overwritten the crucial part when the communications were severed. The only hope is that whomever disabled the communications also pulled the switch for the recorders (CVR/DFDR). So at least there might be a minute or two where one can hear a surprised exchange or struggle in the cockpit. But if this happened, then it also means we would not have the DFDR readings of the last hours of the plane.

Cell phones normally don't work at 35 000 feet as the cell towers arn't designed to to cover vertical distances much. The antennas are more focused on horizontal coverage with a bit of vertical.
And all countries don't have the same cellphone system and you need to have your phone opened up for "roaming" if you want your SIM to register in a foreign country on a foreign (compatible) network.

The fuel spill had been ruled out. Or so we were led to believe. Granted, this whole situation has been handled so badly that I do hope for the authorities sake that the fuel does NOT eventually turn out to have to do with the missing plane.

The "why" at stage would be any theory one could come up with. Without any evidence, there is no way to lean towards any possibility. There are tens if not hundreds of reasons which could be put forward.

There are some weird theories floating around which I see as a result of the 'post 9/11 hype' fear mongering which occurred.

**fleetlordatvar** · 03-16-2014, 06:53 AM

Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location

Police investigate data from home flight simulator of captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53
Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim
Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset
Flight MH370 disappeared more than a week ago with 239 people on board
Despite a huge multinational search effort, no signs of the plane or a crash have been found
Malaysian Prime Minister said yesterday that the plane was deliberately steered off course
FBI experts say disappearance could be �act of piracy�, suggesting passengers are being held

By Simon Parry IN KUALA LUMPUR
PUBLISHED: 17:08 EST, 15 March 2014 | UPDATED: 05:37 EST, 16 March 2014
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Police are investigating the possibility that the pilot of missing Flight MH370 hijacked his own aircraft in a bizarre political protest.
The Mail on Sunday has learned that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was an �obsessive� supporter of Malaysia�s opposition leader, Anwar Ibrahim. And hours before the doomed flight left Kuala Lumpur it is understood 53-year-old Shah attended a controversial trial in which Ibrahim was jailed for five years.
Campaigners say the politician, the key challenger to Malaysia�s ruling party, was the victim of a long-running smear campaign and had faced trumped-up charges.

Police sources have confirmed that Shah was a vocal political activist � and fear that the court decision left him profoundly upset. It was against this background that, seven hours later, he took control of a Boeing 777-200 bound for Beijing and carrying 238 passengers and crew.
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Sudden ascent and dive points to cockpit takeover

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The final picture: The missing jet is pictured here in February this year above Polish airspace

Yesterday, Malaysian police searched his house in the upmarket Kuala Lumpur suburb of Shah Alam, where he had installed a home-made flight simulator. But this newspaper can reveal that investigators had already spent much of last week examining two laptops removed from Shah�s home. One is believed to contain data from the simulator

Confirming rising fears, Malaysia�s prime minister Najib Razak announced yesterday that MH370 was deliberately steered off course after its communication system was switched off. He said it headed west over the Malaysian seaboard and could have flown for another seven hours on its fuel reserves.
It is not yet clear where the plane was taken, however Mr Razak said the most recent satellite data suggests the plane could have been making for one of two possible flight corridors. The search, involving 43 ships and 58 aircraft from 15 countries, switched from the South China Sea to the Bay of Bengal in the Indian Ocean.
In another dramatic twist early Sunday Indian officials however, said the search was on hold until 'fresh search areas' were defined by Malaysia. It is unclear what the reason was for the delay.
Data showing the number of plausible runways where the plane could have touched down - which need to be at least 5,000ft - offer a baffling number of potential locations.

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According to a map drawn up by U.S. radio station WNYC, there are 634 locations which could fit, from Australia to the Maldives to Pakistan.
However, the true number is likely to be even higher, as estimates of how far the plane could have travelled have been increased since the calculations were carried out.
US investigators say faint �pings� were being transmitted for several hours after the flight lost contact with the ground.
Meanwhile, military radar showed the jet climbed to 45,000ft � above its service limit � which could have been a deliberate attempt to knock out the passengers and crew.
Anwar Ibrahim is a broadly popular democracy icon and former deputy prime minister whose prosecution on a charge of sodomy is seen by many Malaysians as political persecution.

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Investigation: Pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah, left, was a political activist who attended a tense trial on the day of the flight, investigators believe. He was flying service MH370 alongside Fariq Abdul Hamid, right, from whom investigators have been keen to deflect suspicion

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Jailed: Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim leaving court in Putrajaya on March 7

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Hunt: Investigators have riaded the houses of both pilots. Pictured is where co-pilot Hamid lives in an upmarket Kuala Lumpur suburb

The raids on Captain Shah�s home appeared stage-managed as a display of intent after the Prime Minister said the focus of the investigation was now on �crew and passengers� as a result of the latest leads.
But investigators have told the Mail on Sunday inquiries into the background of the pilot actually began days earlier.
Malaysian police, helped by FBI agents from the US, are looking into the political and religious backgrounds of both Zaharie and his co-pilot. Zaharie�s home was sealed off yesterday as police spent an hour inside.
However, a senior investigation source said two laptops were taken from the property in low-key visits by police early last week despite a series of denials by officials that his home had been searched or raided.
One laptop taken away is thought to contain data from the flight simulator while a second contained little information. Zaharie�s personal laptop was not found, and is thought to have been with him in the cockpit of the plane, the source said.
Zaharie�s co-workers have told investigators the veteran pilot was a social activist who was vocal and fervent in his support of Ibrahim.
�Colleagues made it clear to us that he was someone who held strong political beliefs and was strident in his support for Anwar Ibrahim,� another investigation source said. �We were told by one colleague he was obsessed with politics.�
In their interviews, colleagues said Zaharie told them he planned to attend the court case involving Anwar on March 7, just hours before the Beijing flight, but investigators had not yet been able to confirm if he was among the crowd of Anwar supporters at court.
Zaharie is believed to be separated or divorced from his wife although they share the same house, close to Kuala Lumpur�s international airport. They have three children, but no family members were at home yesterday: only the maid has remained there.
JAILED FOR FIVE YEARS: MALAYSIA'S OPPOSITION LEADER

Anwar Ibrahim is a broadly popular democracy icon and former deputy prime minister whose prosecution on a charge of sodomy is seen by many Malaysians as political persecution.
Campaigners say the politician, the key challenger to Malaysia�s ruling party, was the victim of a long-running smear campaign and had faced trumped-up charges.
Captain Shah, who is thought to have attended the trial in Putrajaya hours before flying, is thought to be incensed by the verdict.
Co-workers have told investigators the veteran pilot was a social activist who was vocal and fervent in his support of Ibrahim.
Investigators said: �We are looking into the theory that Zaharie�s political beliefs may be a factor. There are huge sensitivities surrounding this but we cannot afford not to pursue any angle brought to our attention.�

In the days after Flight MH370 disappeared, Zaharie was affectionately described as a good neighbour and an eccentric �geek� who had a flight simulator at home simply because he loved his work so much.
Malaysian officials initially appeared keen not to direct any suspicion towards Zaharie or his co-pilot, 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid, who was last week revealed to have invited two women passengers into the cockpit and smoked on an earlier flight to Phuket.
But evidence of the way the plane�s transponder and communication systems were disabled and the way the plane was expertly flown over the Indian Ocean apparently using navigational waypoints meant only a skilled aviator could have been at the controls. Investigators were also baffled by why, if hijackers took over the plane, there was no Mayday call or signal from the two pilots to say the cockpit had been breached.
At yesterday�s press conference, the suspicion over the pilot�s involvement mounted as prime minister Najib Razak said that investigators had found �deliberate action� on board the plane resulted in it changing course and losing contact with ground crews.
As a result of the new information, Malaysian authorities had �refocused their investigation on crew and passengers aboard�, he said. Police sealed off the area surrounding Zaharie�s home and searched the house shortly after the press conference.
Mr Razak said the new satellite evidence shows �with a high degree of certainty� that the one of the jet�s communications devices � the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System was disabled just before it had reached the east coast of Malaysia. ACARS is a service that allows computers aboard the plane to relay in-flight information about the health of its systems back to the ground.
Shortly afterwards, near the cross-over point between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic controllers, the plane�s transponder, which emits an identifying signal, was switched off or, less likely, failed.
According to a military radar, the aircraft then turned and flew back over Malaysia before heading in a north-west direction.

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On board: Student Firman Siregar, pictured centre with his family, was one of the 239 aboard Flight MH370

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Multinational: Indonesian rescue personnel join in the search for the missing plane

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Search: Investigators from countries around the world have been scouring the oceans

A satellite was able to pick up a �ping� from the plane until 08:11 local time, more than seven hours after it lost radar contact, although it was unable to give a precise location. Mr Razak went on to say that based on this new data, investigators �have determined the plane�s last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors � north from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand, and south from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.
If as suspected the plane was diverted into the Indian Ocean, the task of the search teams becomes more difficult, as there are hundreds of uninhabited islands and the water reaches depths of around 23,000ft.
Countries in the plane�s potential flightpath have now joined a huge effort to locate the missing passengers, but China described the revelation as �painfully belated�. And FBI investigators say the disappearance of MH370 may have been �an act of piracy� and that the possibility that its hundreds of passengers are being held at an unknown location has not been ruled out.

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Meanwhile, leading aviation lawyer James Healy�Pratt, who is helping relatives, said Malaysian Airlines had declined to buy Boeing�s Airplane Health Management system, which monitors systems in real time and could have alerted it to any potential problems, rather than having to recover a black box.
�If the transponder was manually disabled then one can only hope that the black boxes were not also manually disabled,� he said. �Otherwise, the truth will never be known.�
The revelations about Zaharie�s political affiliations are highly sensitive in a country where political dirty tricks are widespread.
One of the investigation sources said: �We are looking into the theory that Zaharie�s political beliefs may be a factor. There are huge sensitivities surrounding this but we cannot afford not to pursue any angle brought to our attention.�
Separately, a police source told the Mail on Sunday: �I can confirm our investigations include the political and religious leanings of both pilots.�
Zaharie joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981. He became a captain about ten years later and has clocked up 18,360 hours of flying experience.

Additional reporting: Ian Gallagher

I GOUGED HIJACKER'S EYE AND SAVED 398 - BY BA PILOT WHO RESCUED HIS PLANE 14 YEARS AGO

By CAPTAIN BILL HAGAN
A British Airways pilot who tackled a maniac on his packed jet reveals how the threat of hijack can spring from anywhere � and tells how the fate of Flight MH370 has brought details of his horrific encounter flooding back to him...

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Cockpit fight: Bill Hagan tackled a crazed student trying to crash a BA flight

I was asleep in my bunk when I was jolted awake by the sudden lurching of the plane, British Airways flight BA 2069 from Gatwick to Kenya.
I knew there was something seriously wrong but I thought maybe the aircraft had been damaged. It was only when I heard my co-pilot shouting for help and opened the door that I saw there was an intruder. He looked like a terrorist.
I knew we were all in grave danger as he had seized the controls and we were plummeting at full speed towards the ground. If I had considered it necessary to kill him to save everyone else on board, I would have. My wife and two of my children were on the flight, as were singer Bryan Ferry and five
members of the Goldsmith family.
I didn�t speak � I just punched the man hard and managed to pull his body back just enough to make the plane pitch up from its dive. The week before I had been speaking to my young son about how to survive a shark attack, by sticking your finger in its eye, and that gave me the inspiration to do that to the intruder.
After I had gouged his eye he came away from the controls to fight me, allowing the co-pilot to stabilise the aircraft. I shouted loudly for help and three
male passengers rushed to my aid. They grabbed the hijacker � who I later learned was a 27-year-old mentally ill Kenyan student called
Paul Kefa Mukonyi � and dragged him to the back of the plane and tied him up.
If he had been at the controls for just a few extra seconds we could all have died. The plane stalled three times, nearly went upside down and
was plummeting to the ground.
While I was still catching my breath I made an announcement to reassure the 398 passengers on board that it was over. I forgot about any rule book and just said: �A bad man has tried to kill us all, but everything is fine now.�
The plight of the Malaysia Airlines flight has brought the horror of that day, December 29, 2000, flooding back to me.
If there was an explosion, debris would have been spotted by now. I believe this must have been a deliberate and planned act. Pilots are encouraged to secure the safest outcome, which may well mean you comply with the demands of the hijackers.
On long-haul flights a pilot will notify air traffic control of the aircraft�s exact location every 30 minutes. I would be asking the Malaysian authorities to check the voice of whoever made the last call from the plane to see if it was the pilot.
I just hope there are answers soon, for the families who are facing this awful wait.

**Sludge** · 03-30-2014, 10:26 PM

Amazing. It's "known for a fact" that the plane crashed into the south Indian Ocean, yet nothing has been found. At least the search is still on.

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/30/objects-pulled-from-indian-ocean-checked-for-ties-to-missing-malaysia-airlines/

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**JAL1628** · 03-31-2014, 10:24 AM

It's the greatest international mystery in aviation I can remember.

**eugenevh** · 04-01-2014, 12:04 PM

I realize it must be difficult for the poor family members not knowing what happened to their loved ones.
If only they had the additional ejectable CVDR's as proposed by the SAFE Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockpit_voice_recorder) then the ELT/Pinges would have enabled the recovery or at least locating of the craft.

What a mystery this has become.

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